Everything Jock and his supporters are after already exists. The grower owned and controlled company exists in CBH. All these growers need to do is contact CBH and promise to deliver all their grain to them. You don't need legislation to have a national pool. The amount of growers that will attend this rally will give a clear indication of how much support there is to return to the single desk. 100 growers does not even represent 1% of Australian grain growers.

What an ingnorant statemant by moving on, you must come from the USA. Between the subsidised grain growers over there who must have their sides split open from laughter at the way the grain system is here now. Due to the arrogance of the ag minister, farmers are now receiving prices that are clearly unsustainable for survival at the farm gate. Traders have had a field day this season and still are with the pathetic prices they are offering and it is clear there has been no competition from the flat prices and variations of prices between them as well. So don't give me 100 is not even 1% grain representation. 400 farmers will go to a NSW farmers meeting in July this year and that doesn't represent 4% of grain growers in Australia either. APH2 and H1 grain is attracting a price of $255/ton (on farm) and after the disgraceful gouge in input prices last season on top of 5 years of poor yields, the simple fact of 85% of grain being warehoused was a clear indication of anti-deregulation sentiment. Don't mean to be too harsh but that's the way it is. Maybe just out of curiosity Minister Burke said in question time in parliament that WA grain growers were 36% better off with their wheat prices this past season. Can you confirm this and what did CBH offer at harvest time for APH2 and H1 (cash), and what they are offering now?

CBH does not operate in the Eastern states. If there is a large crop across the Eastern states and the world stocks remain as they are I feel real sorry for growers in southern NSW and Vic as not only will the Pools close early, the cash prices will dwindle to bugger all by the time their headers reach the paddock gate. There will be an overwhelming carry over of unsold wheat and feed grains as well. It will take this disaster before people like moving on realise what a fool's paradise some live in. United we stand, deregulated we are sold up and out!

Tony Burke stated in Federal Parliment WA wheat growers are $35 dollars a tonne better off not 35%, quite a diference! The single desk is dead and buried for the first time in 60 years. WA wheat prices are reflecting the East coast. Why would a WA producer want to go back to a system where they subsidised their eastern counterparts? We must stamp out socialism in agriculture - it is a scurge.

One day these people will see that they need the single desk - after they have been ripped off a few times by the grain traders. Like movinaway said - why was 85% of last harvest's grain warehoused? Keep at them Jock !

C.B.H is an old company with a great record in grain handling and marketing. It is time they turned their attention away from Asian activities and directed expertise and substantial investment to the N.S.W. & VIC. grain industries in order to assure eastern grain growers adequate returns.

If you want a good read head to the NSW Grain Freight Review website http://www.nationbuildingprogram.gov.au/funding/projects/NSW _grain_freight_review.aspx There has been minimal media reporting. Most relevant submission is that by GrainCorp. Graincorp now owns the 18 branchline locos & 180 grain wagons refer http://www.graincorp.com.au/media/2009%20Media%20Release/Bra nch%20Line%20Trains%20Decision.pdf My submission is Tim B 409kb

Jock continues to re-write history and get his basic facts wrong. He is quoted as saying that growing grain is more risky than cattle or wool because it is very export orientated. Well here's some news for you boys, in low production years Australia consumes more grain internally than we export. Have you never noticed the number of cattle feedlots, intensive piggeries, intensive chicken feeders and flour millers on the east coast? Australia exports way more wool, beef and live cattle than it consumes domestically.

Jock and his supporters just want a system that subsidises them to be reinstated. The days of the big volumes of WA export wheat subsidising your business in central west NSW are gone and won't be coming back.

My apologies typo should have been $ not % but still answer me this: what did you get for your wheat 07/08 season and comparison for 08/09 season to give you $35 dollars premium per ton?

Jock is right in what he states. In February this year NSWFA hosted meetings through the state of NSW, the outcome was that grain growers wanted the National Marketing Pool System back, and the Aus Wheat plan to be accepted by Government for a grower-controlled marketing system along the lines of the old single desk. Minister Burke promised deregulation certainty and competition in the market place, well it hasn't happened, no competition at all for our grains. Certainty - what certainty? - do we want to be driven off the land for selling our product under the cost of production. Minister Burke helps overseas farmers with $460 million to help productivity and food sercurity but at the same time stabbs Australian farmers in the back. To Damian Capp - we do not want subsidies we just want a fair go from our own governments and for that matter when have we received in subsides in the past Mr Capp?