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Green groups tell Rudd to tow their ETS line or they will walk

04 Oct, 2009 07:30 PM
THE only environment groups offering any support for the emissions trading scheme have threatened to walk away if the Federal Government accepts amendments from the Opposition.

The Climate Institute, the Australian Conservation Foundation and WWF Australia have written to both sides of politics this weekend, saying they would campaign against the scheme if further compensation was given to polluting industries.

"You either believe in an emissions trading system or you don't," Climate Institute executive director John Connor said.

"It's not effective or responsible to give windfall gains to booming coal miners or to give billions extra to businesses who bought brown coal-fired generators knowing a carbon price was coming."

The move would leave the Government with no green endorsement for its scheme, which has been designed partly in response to community pressure for action on climate change.

Last week Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull staked his leadership on the issue, saying any party that did not take global warming seriously faced an electoral wipeout.

His acting emissions trading spokesman, Ian Macfarlane, said Mr Turnbull was "right to put his foot down".

Mr Macfarlane said the party room would get a say on the strategy pursued by the Opposition but that those MPs against the scheme should not think only of themselves.

"There was some tilting of windmills but they should think about the image they put out to voterland."

He challenged senators such as Cory Bernardi to stand by their opposition to an emissions trading scheme and take their chances with the electorate.

"If we go to a double dissolution then those senators who say we should oppose it should have the courage of their convictions and go last [on the Senate ticket].

"I love to see conviction politics."

Mr Turnbull's backers, who include Joe Hockey and Bill Heffernan, have been ringing MPs to shore up support ahead of a party room meeting to be held when Parliament resumes on October 19.

The Opposition's amendments will include further concessions for the coal industry, agriculture and food processors.

It is likely to propose agriculture be exempted for another decade or even left out of the scheme entirely.

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So we now know the insane loony tune greens have gone totally insane from drinking vast amounts of coolaid and are totally intent on sending us all back to swing through the trees. It's hard to imagine ANY sane or intelligent person voting for these idiots.
Posted by loc hey, 4/10/2009 9:25:02 PM
What people need to consider is the fact that if the primary industries are included it will make most of Australia national parks as it will become non-viable to farm anything in the country. If we are to be included the emissions, what we take in need to be included. Trees, grass and the likes. You can not take money for pollution and then not give credit where credit is due.
Posted by Bruce, 4/10/2009 9:25:13 PM
The climate institute have about as much credibility as a broken down wind turbine - not much! They can make up claims like this, but really who cares?
Posted by mick, 5/10/2009 7:20:37 AM
Bruce, I agree 100%. If agriculture is included without considering credits then you can kiss grazing industries good bye in Australia. Some of the more intensive grain industries would closely follow. If ag is to be considered, then it should be all in with sequesting credits given. Might be a nice earner for a few of us farmers!! Will also put the farmer bashers back in their hole, when the real truth comes out.
Posted by The orchardist, 5/10/2009 9:05:54 AM
How many countries reached their carbon reduction targets during the Kyoto round? The agricultural industries reduced carbon in Australia and we were not a signatory to Kyoto. What were the penalties for the countries that did not reach their targets and what will be the penalties for the 2020 targets if countries do not reach their supposed target? More hot air!!!
Posted by mac, 5/10/2009 11:33:18 AM
There is enough evidence out now to show that the Global Warming is a complete fraud. More people now are quite aware of this. Greens are panicking as their power will decline.
Posted by Len, 5/10/2009 3:02:08 PM
Oh Len - show me the evidence. I am still waiting after repeated calls to see something concrete that would make me think there is no risk of AGW.
Posted by the lorax, 5/10/2009 4:29:49 PM
Len, Loc Hey and others. Go to google and enter 'evidence of global warming'. Then think. Again
Posted by john Newton, 5/10/2009 5:30:21 PM
Len, the lorax, John Newton please just answer the question about Kyoto and what happened to those that did not reduce carbon?
Posted by mac, 5/10/2009 5:58:30 PM
The lorax is off base here. The burden of proof when there is to be a big change has always been on those wanting the change; now it seems to have been reversed to "prove AGW is wrong". In fact there is sufficient uncertainty that humans CAUSE climate change that it's prudent NOT to introduce an ETS, particularly one which will be expensive, cost jobs and do nothing for "climate change". Most readers here are aware of the uncertainty, I've even been ridiculed for mentioning them before in comments. Many are easily checked and not really contentious - the earth is either cooling or flat temps in 8-12 years (admittedly depends on your start date), Arctic ice is increasing last 3 years, no greenhouse gas signature over the tropics, rate of sea-level increase is declining). Add to this that there is a scientific argument that human CO2 would not warm the earth anyway (this one IS contentious) and the uncertainty is large. The earth appears to have warmed over last 100 years but the evidence that it was caused by humans (and is still doing so) is debatable. So why an ETS? Let the greens run away from Rudd and Wong; they want to make a bad policy worse. [Google my points above]
Posted by DMS, 6/10/2009 11:53:51 AM
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