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Ag's exclusion won't save farmers from ETS price pain

19 Nov, 2009 06:10 AM
FARMERS should not think the weekend's announcement to exclude agriculture from an emissions trading scheme means they are off the hook just yet, with clarity and details being sought to determine just how far the exclusion really stretches.

The National Farmers' Federation has only cautiously welcomed the exclusion they fought so hard for, waiting for specific details on the alternative offsets which would be allowed in the scheme, whether they would be Kyoto-compliant and what treatment would be given to the food and fibre processing sector.

NFF chief executive officer, Ben Fargher, said there has so far only been clarity on one of its four main concerns: that is, agriculture will be excluded, and that exclusion will be legislated.

In the next 24 hours the farm lobby is looking for greater detail on the exclusion announcement, and says while the exclusion is a major win the Government "has not ticked" all of the boxes concerning agriculture.

Mr Fargher admitted the exclusion will mean farmers will still be affected by rising costs from the scheme, namely through the indirect costs from dearer power, fertiliser, fuel and freight.

Labor sources announced through Sunday's Fairfax newspapers that the Government would deliver a "significant concession" to the Coalition by agreeing to exclude agriculture from the scheme "indefinitely".

This is instead of a previous decision to leave agriculture out of the scheme until a review in 2013 with a likely inclusion by 2015.

The Government is said to also be examining opportunities and incentives for farmers to generate carbon credits and voluntarily opt-in to the scheme to make extra money while reducing emissions at the same time.

NFF and the Opposition urgently want to know whether the Government will commit to more generous options for generating carbon credits because the only opportunity at the moment is for new trees planted since 2008.

NFF also want clarity on whether assistance to cover rising fuel costs will still be available now farming is excluded.

Minister for Climate Change, Penny Wong, said a long list of amendments had been put forward by the Opposition but it had always been clear "agriculture was something they had to have".

"There’s obviously other things on their list," Senator Wong told the ABC on Sunday.

"We have said to them - economically responsible, environmentally effective. They are the tests we’ll apply.

"But in terms of agriculture, this is an offer that is made by the Government on an issue that we know is important to the Opposition because we are serious about getting this legislation through."

Senator Wong said excluding agriculture "doesn’t mean that farmers can’t be part of the solution".

"We have to work through how that will be the case. Where we were a few months ago was that we needed to do more research and that we wanted to review this issue in 2013.

"The Opposition put to us that they wanted more certainty than that, they wanted specific exclusion in the legislation and we are prepared to do that in the interest, in the national interest, of getting up the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, getting that through the Parliament."

Mr Fargher acknowledged an ETS would never be a "cost-free exercise", especially for agriculture, but says the decision to exclude the sector would definitely minimise costs.

"If agriculture had been covered, the numbers would have been off the scale. Farmers would have been cruelled," Mr Fargher said.

"We now want to see how this scheme will link to the international rules and whether there will be any flexibility for farmers to generate offsets.

"We shouldn't be hamstrung by rules which are flawed.

"That will depend on the Government's intent in terms of design of the offset rules."

The weekend's news was welcomed by Opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull, but he has been cautious about commenting much further on the negotiations, arguing there is still a way to run with them yet.

An amendment to agriculture alone is believed to be not enough to get The Nationals over the line.

"The Government's announcement is still well short of an exemption of agriculture from Labor's CPRS," Nationals leader Warren Truss said.

"Farmers will still face higher CPRS imposed costs on all farm inputs, including fuel, fertilizer, chemicals, electricity and machinery,” Mr Truss said.

"The food processing sector does not appear to be covered by Senator Wong's announcement, and this was a key demand by the Coalition in the negotiations.

"Labor's CPRS will add greatly to the costs of dairy processing, sugar refining, abattoirs and food processing making Australian food less competitive on export markets."

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The whole global warming scam is of no good. The ETS should be entirely rejected.
Posted by Len, 20/11/2009 10:53:27 AM
What this really means is that the iffy, constantly variable science now says that because ag is emissions neutral, the government is better off getting more tax from the higher emissions industry. Farmers would not have met their "quota" of budgeted tax and the govt would have had a shortfall.

Modelling is NOT SCIENCE.

It is just a way of testing theories to see if there might be some linkage. When it becomes an end, we are all in trouble. I have been in the modelling game for 40 years, and +-50p accuracy is regarded as good; +- 20pc is unbelievably accurate.

Every model will give different results because of the constrained versus unconstrained variables chosen by the modeller, unless they are all based on an original common model.

Posted by denis, 20/11/2009 12:07:28 PM
What will you be doing then, Len, in the years ahead when it is 5 degrees hotter than usual on average? Say "oh well, that's nature, I suppose" and crank the air con up, I suspect.
Posted by Annoyed Youth, 20/11/2009 1:05:05 PM
Sorry, denis, but modelling IS science because without it you cannot make some prediction about tomorrow or the day after. As to the accuracies you mention, I don't know what branch of science you are in but such accuracies are appalling and do not represent the reality elsewhere. I am also in the modelling field and +-20pc is not a very good model. Modelling of global temperatures is a very accurate science that we ignore at our (global) peril.
Posted by KD Atkins, 20/11/2009 3:28:41 PM
No one is saying there is no change in weather patterns Annoyed Youth. I think the biggest gripe from many on this forum (feel free to correct me if I am wrong) is the lack of public debate on the actual causes of climate change. When you have vested interests, pressure groups, sections of the media and the government all declaring allegiance to one belief, refusing to air the opinions of many scientists who have declared their doubts about the extent of human activity that actually influences climate change, you're bound to wind up with so called "conspiracy theorists" (as climate change advocates love to label anyone doubting their position). Likewise, those sceptical of "man made climate change" will become just as uncompromising in the debate simply because of the position and attitude taken by adherents of the new religion. Open, honest debate involving both positions on climate change would have eliminated many of the problems to addressing the issue and enabled the average person to make an informed choice, rather than being led by media and government- both of which are clearly not interested in debating the facts and allowing people to come to their own conclusion.
Posted by Andrew Phillips, 20/11/2009 7:23:49 PM
I can't understand why governments have not formulated taxes to fix the climate beforehand. We could be living in a perfect world right now: no floods, frosts, droughts etc. The next thing is to direct a snow tax at getting more snow on the mountains. I'm sure the ski bunnies would be happy if we all paid that too. Everybody should know a little bit of inflation, maybe an interest rate rise or four and unemployment shouldn't even get noticed especially now that we know we can drive the climate, where we want.
Posted by stoned rabbit, 20/11/2009 9:37:04 PM
Climate change is the least of our worries. The biggest concern will be world population growth, arable land, food, water shortages. Without a curb in the world's population, ETS won't do anything but postpone the inevitable. Humans are the greatest polluters and destroyers of the enivorment. Yes the climate has changed, and it will continue to change until humans are extinct. Some billion years into the future the planet will re-emerge healed with new life forms, humans and their industry being nothing more than fertliser for microbes. The planet can only support 6 billion people before the entire eco system collapses. Whether you like it or not we are on a road to nowhere. When hungry people get angry climate change won't mean a thing. Get used to living with less and going without because you won't have a choice: no meat, no eggs, no chesse, just chemically controlled hydroponic veggies artifical soy meal, milk, bread, butter. All grown with recycled hormone contolled chemical polluted water. Yum Yum veggie burgers imported from Mac China grown in a petra dish, artifical pork and chicken meat, artifical rice and noodles made from recycled treated paper. I just can't wait.
Posted by BigTed, 21/11/2009 12:14:48 PM
Come on now Stoned Rabbit, it takes more than taxes to fix a problem! It also needs to be backed up by the signing of a myriad of international treaties and agreements, the release of any self sovereignty (because we're so hopeless we'll just botch everything up on our own) and the large scale transfer of resources and capital to other continents. There now, a perfect world!
Posted by Andrew Phillips, 21/11/2009 3:26:32 PM
Here we have the NFF trying to cover their butt after claiming farmers should stay in the ETS. And doing so on the day that we discover that most farmers are carbon neutral anyway. So why wasn't Fargher already up to speed on this research which, when all is said and done, is merely confirming what we already knew. Instead, they have allowed Wong to appear as if she was making a big concession and worse, making that clown Macfarlane look as if he had a big win. And once again, they have given the urban voters the impression that farmers are getting special treatment and not pulling their weight. Good one, fellas, just what we need.
Posted by Ian Mott, 22/11/2009 2:53:29 PM

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