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Upside in Timbercorp's downfall

24 Apr, 2009 03:06 PM
The fallout from the decline of prominent managed investment scheme (MIS) manager Timbercorp will probably reverberate through the market for months to come, but some experts believe the company's misfortunes may not necessarily be bad for the sector as a whole.

According to The Australian Financial Review, director of advisory firm Australian Agribusiness Group, Tim Lee, believes companies with a robust balance sheet are likely to emerge stronger when the economy turns and the MIS sector will be one of the first to rebound.

"There is something like a 70 per cent correlation between investment inflows into this sector and the returns on our stock exchange, and we are starting to see a turnaround - maybe - on the ASX," he said.

Timbercorp shares have fallen by around 98pc since the Australian Taxation Office's decision to ban tax deductibility on non-forestry MIS projects about two years ago.

Although Timbercorp won an important test case against the ATO decision in December last year, Mr Lee said the company never got the chance to recover as the global financial crisis froze credit markets.

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This so called expert - Mr. Lee - may not think it is a bad thing. Maybe he doesn't stand to lose his hard earned life savings like some people will. Makes you wonder sometimes what planet these so called experts live on !!
Posted by Jeff, 27/04/2009 11:37:59 AM
If you need tax help to stay afloat you shouldn't be there. This company had major amounts of cash thrown at them to set up plantations - a lot of them were set up on poor land that they paid over inflated prices for. Now their chickens are coming home to roost. Maybe very shortly another one of these ag scheme companies will fall over too. Please leave agriculture to farming families.
Posted by pete, 27/04/2009 12:16:02 PM
Just shows how little Mr Lee understands about the timber plantation industry. Never got further than the prospectus and the AGM and, presumably, believed both. What's the definition of an expert again?
Posted by Roger Crook, 29/04/2009 7:09:04 AM
go pete go
Posted by blind, 5/05/2009 7:27:27 AM
The only upside of the whole deal is that there are assets in the form of growing trees and other viable assets that can't be dissipated or transferred to overseas tax havens and Swiss Banks - thus the investors are bound to see some return in the future.

Unfortunately, this mess will take many years to sort out, due to the massive complexity of the schemes and trusts that Timbercorp put in place - and we all know that liquidators don't exactly work for peanuts.

My partner invested in one of the WA Mortgage Brokers straight interest-bearing investments - and she did actually manage to get her money back. However, the Mortgage Broker also had a similar setup to Timbercorp, with trusts, various entities with interlacing loans and securities - and coupled with sorting out who was entitled to what, due to competing claims, the finalisation of the Mortgage Brokers asset distribution is still in the courts, fully 12 years after the liquidators were called in.

Many of the original MB investors have died in poverty, waiting for the courts to make determinations. There is a need for the speeding up of assessments of conflicting claims when it comes to company liquidations. As they say, the wheels of justice turn slowly.

Re Timbercorp, Mr Lee is correct. The upside will be, that investors in future, having had their fingers severely burnt, will never again invest in these tax-driven schemes, and will invest in projects with conservative and real returns, and managed by people with real-life management skills.

You can look like an expert manager when money is being splashed about - the sharemarket is booming, and tax breaks are coming thick and fast - but the real managers appear when the money supply dries up, the tax breaks disappear, the sharemarket goes into freefall, and drought hits.

Unfortunately, there is a real possibility of many of Timbercorps assets being sold at values well below what they are really worth. The bluegums growing on poor soils is probably the best thing that could happen with poor soils, as Australian trees grow well on poor soils, and survive drought - with bluegums being natural survivors.

Olive trees are similar - tough and drought resistant. I have seen them growing in the back of sand dunes on the beach, from discarded seeds by picknickers.

It is better that these growing and useful assets are managed for a satisfactory return, rather than being sold off well below their true value.

Posted by Ron N, 8/05/2009 11:28:37 AM

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